# Forum 3: 1st December 2023

Meanwhile: if you'd like to see more of our work, don't forget to vote for Governance Guild's F11 proposals!\
[Grassroots Governance Community Forums](https://cardano.ideascale.com/c/idea/112249) and\
[Advancing Community Governance Tooling on Andamio](https://cardano.ideascale.com/c/idea/111699)

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## Opening session: What is "community"?

We presented [these slides](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/17t2P_XsC_iv0FXncX8RqE2wBRBAizfNRI-SF-4aReRY/edit?usp=sharing), on our view of what "community" can be, and how to sustain it in times of no funding.

### COMMENTS FROM THE ROOM:

* The Catalyst community - those who are continuously not just proposing, but participating - is a bit <mark style="color:red;">**disillusioned**</mark>. I get this sense from those I see around me in this social ecosystem. When I listen to what others say, I feel like there’s not much of a Catalyst community any longer - it’s like <mark style="color:red;">**Catalyst has become a product now,**</mark> and doesn’t require a community.
* “Community” is finding people who have <mark style="color:red;">**similar purpose**</mark> & values.
* I don’t have a direct insight into Catalyst - I’m from sNET - but I do see all kinds of social initiatives  in Catalyst (like Swarm, Andamio, Gimbalabs) focusing on <mark style="color:red;">**the people**</mark>. That seems to be the heart of “community”.
* One of the things I value most about the community - maybe not all of us, but some - is <mark style="color:red;">**the diversity**</mark><mark style="color:red;">.</mark>
* “Community” in the “IRL” world is often geographically-based , but for us in Cardano it’s diverse and <mark style="color:red;">**global**</mark>.
* It’s still not very diverse on gender. <mark style="color:red;">**I wish there were more women.**</mark>
* In this community I find people who are passionate, generous with their knowledge, and trying to find ways to move forward together. Not so much as it used to be (increasingly, there’s power dynamics, economics, people who are here just for the money) but I think it still stands; the culture is mostly respectful of each other. <mark style="color:red;">**We hear each other.**</mark> That’s what makes me feel I belong.

### PARTICIPATE:

You're invited to add comments in [this doc](https://docs.google.com/document/d/10HCIb0K9xjHSk9QjC0lNZjpVcBN0Bbg0nuxmtZj9QaQ/edit?usp=sharing) .

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## Breakout room 1: [Internet Native Organization](https://internetnative.org/) (INO), ***Decentralised Treasury Management Models and Legal Requirements***

### DISCUSSION SUMMARY:

See [meeting notes on Miro board](https://miro.com/app/board/uXjVM1ry_hY=/?moveToWidget=3458764571742501542\&cot=14)

We discussed&#x20;

* the legalities of owning land in a DAO, examining several historical examples;
* different legal entities used to manage DAO-like organizations
* the current legal status of SingularityNET.

INO plan to develop a standard for governance and compliance for Internet Native Organizations, which would also support DAOs. See <https://internetnative.org/about/> for more info.

### READ THE DETAIL [HERE](https://catalyst-swarm.gitbook.io/governance-guild/grassroots-governance-community-forums/forum-3-1st-december-2023/breakout-room-1-decentralised-treasury-management-models-and-legal-requirements)

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### Breakout room 2: Governance Guild and José de Gamboa: *Community, Governance, and Intersect (the Cardano Members-Based Organisation)*

### DISCUSSION SUMMARY:

See <https://www.intersectmbo.org/> \
Slides: [Talking Governance](https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1GmH4dQMRR2iL_Lox9zrSOia_al0NTDf1NDBWTxSXQcA/edit?usp=sharing)

We discussed

* whether and how Intersect is decentralising and distributing power
* the 3 layers of Intersect (Governance, Steering, and Execution)
* The Civics Committee
* Key questions that the Civics Committee is currently looking at on Treasury; dReps; Incentives; and Security.

### READ THE DETAIL [HERE](https://catalyst-swarm.gitbook.io/governance-guild/grassroots-governance-community-forums/forum-3-1st-december-2023/breakout-room-2-community-governance-and-intersect-the-cardano-members-based-organisation)

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### Plenary session:

### READ THE DETAIL [HERE](https://catalyst-swarm.gitbook.io/governance-guild/grassroots-governance-community-forums/forum-3-1st-december-2023/plenary-session)

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