# Catalyst Town Halls - January 2022 ## 26th January {% embed url="" %} ### Slides {% embed url="" %} ### After Town Hall Breakout Rooms ### Catalyst through the lens of the Cynefin Framework {% embed url="" %} ### Rules for wiser Crowds {% embed url="" %} ### Bringing more Women Through Mentorship {% embed url="" %} ## 19th January {% embed url="" %} ### Slides {% embed url="" %} ### The issue of "Rick’s picks for Catalyst Fund 7" voting - [00:05:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4efx1ZmclU\&t=348s) The Chat during this part of the presentation ran as follows (find the full chat transcript as a doc at the end) **00:11:56 From Matthias Sieber** this is all very disorienting **00:12:00 From Peter Van GARDEREN** I think the potential for Cardano to be the climate change action blockchain of choice is underestimated in its ability to “reach new users and developers” **00:12:05 From Lauris StakePool247** yeah, it was upsetting that ccvault project didn’t get the funding… **00:12:30 From Peter Van GARDEREN** So downvoting “Climate Change: the Challenge” could be counter-productive for that criteria alone **00:12:36 From Melanie -Cardano4Climate** Why would we submit proposals if the voting decisions are "centralized?" **00:12:37 From J P** Not all good ideas (no matter how valuable) are presented in way that makes voters see the value. This falls to the proposers **00:12:49 From Kriss Baird** Voting decisions aren’t centralised? **00:12:52 From Zoé Kleist** Upvote Climate challengee **00:12:57 From Kriss Baird** Who said that Melanie? **00:13:21 From Alejandro Pestchanker** So how do you reach more developers.. if most of the world are not even aware of CARDANO? **00:13:34 From Melanie -Cardano4Climate** Isn't that what this slide tells the voters/ followers how to vote?\\ **00:13:34 From Dan Verowski** climate challenge is the most important challenge. period. **00:13:37 From Phil K** Hi all Fund 7 version of AIM voter-tool is now live. You can use the share feature to share your voter-guidance to others **00:13:43 From Butterfly Tyrant** I have no idea how to incorporate the Fund 8 goals. Is this in voting now or is it to be addressed in fund 8 voting? **00:13:53 From Alejandro Pestchanker** I think this tweet and the whole get rid of the “countries”challenges idea is very discriminatory **00:14:08 From Alejandro Pestchanker** And does not understand.. what is Catalyst and what Cardano is trying to achieve **00:14:09 From Stephen Whitenstall** If a single personality is presenting their recommendations is this not centralisation ? **00:14:12 From Kriss Baird** This is just Ricks POV based on the criteria he’s set himself **00:14:17 From Rodolfo Miranda** SSI UP !!!! **00:14:19 From J P** We are more than just devs though **00:14:36 From Zoé Kleist** i agree @stephen **00:14:40 From Tomi Astikainen** Stephen, we can all go and do the same. **00:14:40 From Allison Fromm** @Rodolfo - Rick said something on Twitter about changing his mind on that one **00:14:52 From Phil K** @Ale of course this is 'his' voting choice.. you can choose your own **00:14:52 From Mercy A** Thanks for presenting this. Definitely opens up the conversation **00:15:00 From Peter Wolcott** I PROPOSE as many people who CAN, set their own similar metrics and share – DOOOOOIT **00:15:00 From Tomi Astikainen** I just generally don't like the idea of downvoting completely legit challenges. **00:15:02 From Matthias Sieber** you were pretty clear on downvoting challenges that address regional issues **00:15:12 From Matthias Sieber** permanently **00:15:25 From Peter Wolcott** Future Challenge TEAM FUEL!! **00:15:31 From Vanessa Cardui** I'm not sure these personal (and kinda discriminatory) opinions should be platformed so prominently at town hall? **00:15:39 From Melanie -Cardano4Climate** Wow\... all the work we are doing suddenly feels like it is wasted because the time isn't perfect. This would also feed into waiting for the governments to solve Climate change. **00:15:42 From Dan Verowski** why does the world need a single operating system? **00:15:43 From Seán Lynch** We are not going to just clean the room, we are going to clean the planet **00:15:49 From Ryan Champ** agree @ Vanessa **00:16:07 From J P** Is it the system or the lack of proposer's ability to get their message across? As a CA I find it's the proposals that are the achilles heel, not the system - although of course it can be improved **00:16:15 From Zoé Kleist** i mean he could have shown the importnt challenges for xyz Problem. not be like downvoting stuff … ohhh and "it is more inclusive"..? **00:16:20 From Johnny Nguyen** I for one, appreciate encourage diversity of thought, but part of diversity means encouraging folks to bring their authentic views and convictions. **00:16:21 From Alejandro Pestchanker** What a narrow way of see this.. 🧐 **00:16:26 From Tyler Wales** not a single operating system; an interoperable operating framework **00:16:38 From Patrik Suzzi** I see that you prioritize challenges to reach top priorities earlier. But still, I believe the "Climate Change: THE Challenge" is a very important one. **00:16:46 From Kriss Baird** Folks, there is always next fund & next fund & next... **00:16:47 From Matthias Sieber** it's not an open discourse if you give already loud voices an even more prominent platform **00:16:49 From Vanessa Cardui** agree @alejandro **00:16:51 From Stephen Whitenstall** Rest of the world = Miscellaneous **00:16:54 From Butterfly Tyrant** indeed Johnny **00:17:00 From Kyle Solomon** we all want the same things **00:17:01 From Ryan Vukich** @vanessa yes agree. **00:17:10 From Ryan Champ** diversity of thought is great! however... In general I'm not sure if any singular person's personal preferences should be highlighted on a particular platform as a means of 'diversity of thought' **00:17:10 From Matthias Sieber** Kriss, there may be a fund, but people may not want to participate **00:17:15 From Tomi Astikainen** So now Dor is "downvoting" all the discussions CAs and VCAs having in Telegram... **00:17:18 From Jose Miguel De Gamboa** agree @Mathias **00:17:23 From Melanie -Cardano4Climate** I am glad that at least Charles is thinking about the future. **00:17:26 From Butterfly Tyrant** Kriss, it feels like we've been saying that since fund 4 **00:17:33 From Vanessa Cardui** quite, @tomi **00:17:33 From Phil K** real governance is about balancing the needs of those being governed **00:17:35 From Kriss Baird** I think just because a challenge doesn’t get voted for one time isn’t disincentive to participate **00:17:45 From Melanie -Cardano4Climate** Suddenly we feel centralized. once more. **00:17:53 From Len D** JP, are you really saying the CA’s are the prime element of Catalyst and the proposals are simply an inconvenient annoyance? **00:17:55 From Matthias Sieber** Have you been under a rock, Kriss? That's not the issue here. **00:17:57 From Butterfly Tyrant** He's against growing countries, but for growing Nations.... **00:18:04 From Alejandro Pestchanker** Reducing???? We need to EXPAND!! **00:18:06 From Ryan Vukich** people may have different skills and to only accept them if they can provide near and present may not be the best path **00:18:11 From Peter Wolcott** This chat needs LOVE **00:18:12 From Tomi Astikainen** Two of "my" challenges are on the left but I Still disagree with this approach. **00:18:12 From Johnny Nguyen** At the end of this all, we still participate by voting. **00:18:15 From Seán Lynch** Most important = global plastic pollution epidemic is right outside your door **00:18:15 From Tyler Wales** Decentralized reputation paired with self sovereign identity would be useful for the catalyst proposal assessment process **00:18:16 From Emelia Sarfo** I think Grow Africa Grow Cardano should be included **00:18:34 From Kriss Baird** Everyone needs to vote for what to prioritise **00:18:35 From Butterfly Tyrant** cardano challenges should ahve been withdrawn, btw **00:18:36 From Zoé Kleist** for real, please just make your "picks" for topics you know about and can argument for. why make "picks" for downvotes… not cool :/ **00:18:53 From Tomi Astikainen** Emelia, we are not including anything Rick feels indifferent about. **00:19:02 From Scott R**. Agree with Rick. There is too much going on right now. Can’t build a third level if the ground floor is not finished. **00:19:04 From J P** @Len - I'm saying sometimes the greatest ideas are not presented in a way that is accessible or that are appealing to voters - it falls to proposers to explain WHY theirs must be voted in **00:19:08 From Alejandro Pestchanker** So experts are only on Developed Countries.. sure! **00:19:11 From Dan Verowski** Rick is a decent guy. he's just signaling how important it is to get infrastructure right and solid, before communities can have at it **00:19:17 From Matthias Sieber** what's the population? sample size? **00:19:23 From Felix Weber** on this picklist there is still a leftover of 4M.. So still space to add challenges **00:19:29 From Felix Weber** :) **00:19:36 From Vanessa Cardui** Maybe the rest of us need to be Tweeting diversity and climate inspired Upvote lists **00:19:41 From Dan Verowski** however one can build communities without tech! **00:19:51 From Juan Sierra** improve in cardano has to do with bringing new developers and adoption. for example, LATAM can do that, and indeed is doing it with several countries that are involved. **00:19:52 From Alejandro Pestchanker** So let’s have only 1 Challenge then.. 16 Million BUILD CARDANO **00:19:52 From Butterfly Tyrant** Remember the work Rick did for WADA **00:19:54 From Johnny Nguyen** @Vanessa yes. That’s kinda Rick’s point. **00:19:57 From Peter Wolcott** Thanks for Perspective Felix **00:19:58 From Chris Keller** Move Voting on chain. **00:20:00 From Yoram Cardano4Climate** Come on Dor… **00:20:13 From Tomi Astikainen** Downvote diversity! **00:20:16 From Michael McNulty** Kudos to rick for taking the initiative and having the conviction to present his views and clearly outline his thinking. Don’t think anyone should be taking this as the end all be all. Would be great to see more of these, especially if they’re expressing opposing views **00:20:18 From Tomi Astikainen** Downvote women! **00:20:20 From Stephen Whitenstall** What people did is no guide to how they act in the present **00:20:23 From Tomi Astikainen** Downvote climate change! **00:20:27 From Vanessa Cardui** @Johnny - not sure about that. But it doesn't seem to be IOG's point in giving Rick's personal view such a big platform! **00:20:27 From Seomon blub** I disagree with putting this on the Townhall tbh... **00:20:28 From Lauris StakePool247** thanks Rick for sharing **00:20:32 From Afia Owusu** looks more like we are heading towards centralization please may be wrong **00:20:40 From Ryan Champ** agreed Seomon **00:20:42 From Scott R**. This list is his personal list. Not the community’s. Make your own as has been said. Pass your list around to your friends. Have spaces for your proposals. Your vote, no one else’s. **00:20:43 From J P** Yup, still respect Rick's point, just too myopic for my liking **00:21:01 From Butterfly Tyrant** can someone provide a transcript of this chat????? **00:21:02 From Johnny Nguyen** Bring this discourse into the public sphere. **00:21:05** From Dan Verowski JP 100 with u **00:21:19 From Jonathan Adjei** Nice to hear your thought process Rich. I don't agree with it all, but really, Thank you for sharing. **00:21:22 From Jesse Caldwell** refine through fire **00:21:35 From Tevo Saks** I think its not about the amount of challenges. Because either way there going to be 1000+ proposals **00:21:43 From Dan Verowski** yes John, discourse should happen in public and ideally in a restorative environment! **00:21:44 From Butterfly Tyrant** Again, remember what Rick did for Wada **00:21:45 From Johnny Nguyen** Communal Effort, Participation, Civic Responsibility, Radical Inclusion. **00:21:47 From Matthias Sieber** Thanks for stating this so clearly, Tomi. That's exactly the message I got... **00:21:57 From Tevo Saks** having such a diverse set of challenges, with several proposals each is actually much easier to decide upon **00:21:58 From J P** I read the ccvault proposal and it was not well written, it got a low score for the lack of quality of the proposal, not because of the idea **00:21:59 From Josko Sestan** @Rick, good work mate, you are definitely attaining the title of Expert! **00:22:01 From Alejandro Pestchanker** It is not the same REACH most of us has… comparing with Rick **00:22:01 From Dzhuliana Nikolova** I am curious to understand why the community want more experts to provide analysis, to get to the root need. **00:22:07 From Dayna Kovacic** I agree with Dor - it’s an example more than the Town Hall backing his opinions **00:22:09 From Alejandro Pestchanker** it is a different responsibility **00:22:13 From Tomi Astikainen** Unbelievable. **00:22:15 From Mercy A** Thanks @Rick for your courage **00:22:21 From Juan Sierra** the issue is that Rick has 6 pools and thousends of followers. what if a bad actor does the same? **00:22:22 From Yoram Cardano4Climate** media pushing for decisions - sound familier? **00:22:23 From Vanessa Cardui** @butterflytyrant - you can save the chat yourself - but I will also save and post it on a QA-DAO GitBook somewhere **00:22:37 From Alejandro Pestchanker** Agree @Juan **00:22:45 From Rodolfo Miranda** I’m ok with Rick’s view, but Dor, you should ‘ve also called someone from the other side to be on the stage also **00:22:52 From Peter Wolcott** Thanks Vanessa! **00:22:52 From Allison Fromm** @Vanessa you are amazing! I was just thinking to tag you and Stephen on the question of saving the chat **00:22:52 From Butterfly Tyrant** Thank you vanessa. I'm short on storage. lAlso, I'm quasar if you want to find me later. **00:22:57 From Dan Verowski** I can write cc vaults proposals, hit me up **00:23:00 From Stephen Whitenstall** Agree Rodolfo **00:23:05 From Matthias Sieber** 100%, Rodolfo. Why amplify already loud voices? **00:23:07 From Len D** what about projects from funds 3,4,5 **00:23:11 From Yoram Cardano4Climate** Agree Rodolfo **00:23:20 From Vanessa Cardui** yep Rodolfo **00:23:23 From Len D** where are the close out reports and videos? **00:23:25 From Maria carmo** Let´s think about all the people who need help in their own language **00:23:27 From Scott R**. Agree Rodolfo **00:23:32 From Dayna Kovacic** We all have an ecosystem we can influence **00:23:34 From J P** @Dan - I'm a MASSIVE supporter of ccvault but tech experts arent' always the best proposal writers. This is where we could also improve **00:23:35 From Butterfly Tyrant** Len, for those proposals in Fund 4 - 6, you can see them in gamechanger wallet **00:23:38 From Dan Verowski** Rodolfo nailing it **00:23:41 From Maria carmo** I hope these people matter some how for someone in the community **00:23:49 From Scott R.** Slide deck please… **00:23:50 From Vanessa Cardui** @Butterflytyrant - ahah I thought it might be you :-) **00:23:59 From Butterfly Tyrant** MuKn loves taking code yeah? **00:24:03 From Butterfly Tyrant** nftdao **00:24:04 From Peter Wolcott** 19 - presentation slides: **00:24:10 From IOHK Community** presentation slides: **00:24:12 From Dan Verowski** I love ccvault, if u have contsct w them let me know, I'd love to help em **00:24:16 From Scott R.** TY @Peter **00:24:54 From Allison Fromm** Things may break...... **00:24:58 From Butterfly Tyrant** indeed Vanessa **00:25:05 From Kyle Solomon** Things will break **00:25:08 From Peter Wolcott** Start 00:32 **00:25:34 From Allison Fromm** We are clearly an anti-fragile community **00:25:41 From Maria carmo** Sure **00:25:44 From Matthias Sieber** are we? **00:25:49 From Kyle Solomon** We will be fine **00:25:54 From Kyle Solomon** This is all part of it **00:25:54 From Matthias Sieber** I'm sure you will **00:26:04 From Butterfly Tyrant** Vanessa, how to contact you outside here **00:26:05 From Dan Verowski** relatively yes Matthias **00:26:08 From Johnny Nguyen** Would love to see us fund some work with Reach.sh as well **00:26:14 From Stephen Whitenstall** Yes a lot people are not fine Kyl **00:26:25 From Butterfly Tyrant** Yeah man, REACH is the superior language **00:26:29 From Butterfly Tyrant** REACH **00:26:30 From Kyle Solomon** Help me help you, Stephen **00:26:31 From Butterfly Tyrant** REACH **00:26:44 From Butterfly Tyrant** REACH **00:27:33 From Butterfly Tyrant** reach opens up interoperability as well **00:28:09 From Johnny Nguyen** that being said, I like that GLOW supports formal methods/verification… High Assurance in these early days is important. **00:28:20 From Chris Keller** I crashed the car can we fix it before qualifying? DRIVE Catalyst After town hall. **00:28:40 From Marta L** This is interesting… **00:28:57 From Butterfly Tyrant** Hi Marta!!! **00:28:59 From Scott R**. Game theory **00:29:09 From Marta L** Hey Q! **00:29:29 From Dor Garbash** Tomi - I used the desktop TG and I wasn’t aware it was showing the downvotes were coming from me… **00:29:30 From Butterfly Tyrant** Great seeing you, hope you are well! **00:29:42 From Dor Garbash** I apologize, and will refrain doing so in the future. **00:29:50 From Dor Garbash** Unless it’s really needed 🙂 **00:30:03 From Kyle Solomon** 🙂 **00:30:12 From Peter Van GARDEREN** Looking forward to trying out Glow. Is there an updated tutorial coming out soon that incorporates this completed work? **00:30:30 From J P** Can we get an update on how the flash assessments went? **00:30:50 From Matthias Matthijs** +1 **00:30:56 From Tomi Astikainen** Dor - I don't know what you're talking about. **00:30:56 From Scott R**. Does GLOW still require a Linux box? **00:31:09 From Stephen Macurdy** Is there a certain limit on number of votes to cast? **00:31:20 From Dor Garbash** I think you missed the point, it wasn’t about the specific opinion of Rick it was about making lists and improving the public discourse. **00:32:05 From Dor Garbash** Tomi - you said earlier “Dor is downvoting everyone” **00:32:17 From Dor Garbash** I was responding to that. **00:32:17 From mike jarmon** Never seen such a response in a TH… quite polemical, and needing a better set up I guess. **00:33:25 From Matthias Matthijs** I think the real message got lost in the noise here because aparently, people might have different viewpoints sometimes and that doesn't seem so easy to be accepted. But that was not what this was about at all. Everybody is encouraged to make and publish their own lists. **00:33:40 From Jose Miguel De Gamboa** @Dor that's the message that went through for me. Regardless of agreeing with Rick's assesments it's a great example of "doing your homework" and encouraging healthy discussions. **00:34:26 From Butterfly Tyrant** only need to vote once to receive voter rewards yes? **00:34:29 From Peter Wolcott** +10 Matthias Matthijs **00:34:32 From Yoram Cardano4Climate** Reach (and everyone else) join us at the event tomorrow - How can we use blockchain/Cardano for forest conservation and tree planting activities: **00:34:43 From Butterfly Tyrant** vote on one proposal to get the rewards yes? **00:34:49 From Dor Garbash** Thanks Jose, it was on purpose to show a “dissenting” voice, because it’s important to allow diversity. #### Chat transcript {% file src="" %} ### After Town Hall Breakout Rooms ### Fund 8 Catalyst Process Improvement Ideation {% embed url="" %} ## 12th January {% embed url="" %} ### Slides {% embed url="" %} ### After Town Hall Breakout Rooms ### Fund 8 CA process Improvement ideation {% embed url="" %} In this session, we go over emerging problems related to Community Advisor (CA) roles. The goal of the discussions is to prioritize and gather more feedback to improve the CA process. {% endembed %} Miro Board link: ## How to nurture a culture of listening in Catalyst #### Stephen Whitenstall - [QA-DAO](https://quality-assurance-dao.github.io/) {% embed url="" %} Further documentation here - ## 5th January {% embed url="" %} ### Slides {% embed url="" %} ### After Town Hall Breakout Rooms ### Part 1: Ledger Live Proposal presentation Fabrice and Roman from the Ledger Team presenting the proposal to the Cardano Community in the Catalyst Town Hall on wednesday, January 5th. {% embed url="" %} ### Part 2: Ledger Live Proposal presentation {% embed url="" %} Have a look on the proposal on ideascale {% embed url="" %} ### CA/vCA Process discussion {% embed url="" %} #### Documentation {% embed url="" %}